How was the shooting range site chosen?
In April 2009 the AZ Game and Fish Dept contracted an independent survey
to determine what shooters and hunters of No.
From this study the May Commission meeting developed 3 guidelines
for a shooting range location
They are:
1. to be located within 30 minutes from
downtown
2. sized for a local range with potential to
expand to regional range; and
3. the ability to be operational by 2013 (3-5
years).
Is the Foster Ranch range a local or a
regional range?
Foster ranch is 160 acres with 80 acres
additional Forest Service land to be included in the range. The definition of a
local range is 60-80 acres. The Foster Ranch range is much larger than that.
The actual acreage used by the
facilities is actually much closer to a
As you can see above, one of the
guidelines for a new range is that it must have the potential to expand to the
size of a regional range. Although the Game and Fish Dept says this is only a
“local range” it appears to be much more than that. If it truly does need to
expand to become a regional range, that would require a federal land exchange;
and which should therefore disqualify it from consideration.
Is Foster Ranch within the 30 minute
limit?
The Friends of Walnut
Canyon were unable to reach the ranch in 30 minutes from the junction of I-40 and I-17 (supposedly the
starting point for these measurements.) After the Game and Fish Dept paves part
of the road through the houses at
What other sites were considered?
There were many, many sites considered and discarded on both
private and US Forest Service land. The following document, which appears to be
a Power Point presentation to the AZ Game and Fish Commission in June of 2009
lists many of the sites and why they were disqualified.
Please note:
1. That there is absolutely no mention of Foster Ranch as being
under consideration at this time.
2. That on page 85, Proposed Alternatives, one of the alternatives
is to further evaluate the Raymond Wildlife Area
3. On page 86 they considered changing the above listed
guidelines, but did not chose to do so
4. On page 39 the Raymond Ranch Wildlife Area (
More on the Raymond Ranch (
For a picture and pros and cons of this site see pages 37-39 of
the June 2009 Document above.
Although this document lists the distance from
Benefits and Advantages of the Raymond Ranch site
Although this location is approximately 15 MINUTES further than
the Foster Ranch location, it has many advantages.
1. It is large enough, over
8,000 acres, for a state of the art
2. There are no nearby neighbors to be aggravated by the
noise.
3. Although the entrance road would have to be upgraded, so would
the road to Foster Ranch. Probably none of the road to Raymond Ranch would
require paving.
4. There would be no damage to a National Monument and the City of
5. Bulldozers could begin work immediately in the spring of 2011
just as they could at Foster Ranch.